the winners get to run against hillary clinton. the losers get to say it's not their fault they lost. wait a minute. that doesn't make any sense. and neither does this fight on the right for the right to say you're right. with me tonight are two msnbc political analysts, joy reid of the grio and david corn from "mother jones." joy, it really is a joy to watch this, to watch rove running around as some sort of new matt dillon cleaning up the party, cleaning up main street from all the bad guys when, in fact, many people would say that karl rove has been the problem from, well, since 2000 when he brought us "w." >> absolutely crazy. i love the way you called them the cuckoo's nest. karl rove's strategy and the reason he's considered a smart guy in politics is he found a way to convince the cuckoo's nest that george w. bush was really their guy and convinced evangelicals that george w. bush is your guy and convinced the right wing. he passed off neoconservatism as conservatism. he passed off the idea of endless war and nation building